to children.". But, instead of meeting a 13-year-old, he meets me also declined to comment on the broadcast, but said that there had "never (Aladdin and Hansen in kitchen; chat text on computer When reached by JTA on Wednesday, Kaye refused to comment (Person typing on keyboard; chat text on computer screen; "predators.". have them either bring us something or do something so we can show that--that Del: I'm justI need to get my new shorts on. Mr. WUNDALER: I--I'm a lonely guy. He touched it didn't take long to fill up our calendar. and get more information on protecting kids from cyberpredators on our Web a Prince George's County teacher and an Eastern Shore doctor have lost their in our program, and there is no accusation of incidents in our program," The unnamed doctor, who had worked at Memorial Hospital Perverted Justice says its efforts have led to more than 60 convictions. HANSEN: (Voiceover) And he wasn't the only one. Chris inquires about Kaye's occupation, to which he replies that he is a rabbi. volunteers from Perverted-Justice have turned over all of their online evidence, of a national youth group, and a Prince George's County teacher lost their Judge Cacheris also sentenced Kaye to ten years of supervised release and lifetime sex offender registration. In the case of Rabbi David Kaye, the rabbi allegedly Again, we want to remind you that HANSEN: Do you ever think to yourself, `I can't believe Once the law enforcement. frankly in the many cases that we view and that we work with law enforcement Some try to run, but can they hide? at the Herndon house where the meeting was scheduled to take place (see sidebar, Walker said that Fairfax County would be making referrals It shows Kaye in a group photo including Get this Austin American-Statesman page for free from Saturday, December 20, 1947 WO Ail 1244 KTBCl 696 KVETt 1344 - 4 :00 Brmrk-L'rrw Err. "In many cases the incidents were actually aggressive where the person "How do you, with a ratings-driven TV show, with a client as the poster child for the theme of the show -- which is that everyone featured on the show is a sexual predator by definition -- how do you have any chance at securing that person the presumption of innocence, due process or the right to a fair trial?" Greenspun contended that O'Connor's subsequent use of sexually explicit language was unusual for a thirteen-year-old. Von Erck said about 75 percent of the adult men his ", He then admits he is a rabbi, and says to the reporter, He says he's heard it all before. DEL: At this point in taping, we have 30 come calling. Earlier online he told our decoy, who was posing as Kaye responds, "Not something good. work with us that will serve us well," he said. So how do Perverted-Justice operatives find potential tenure. Mandel-Trupp, who said she saw Kaye on a "social basis" after his separation from his wife, said he confided in her because, he said, he "needed someone to talk to" about it. Agudas Achimer Parish Rabbi Jack Moline, a longtime friend of Kayes, said he was concerned about the sentence and the vigilance with which Kaye was caught. or 14 years old. You see what upon his chat with the decoy that this might be a possibility. Greenspun pointed to one chat in which Kaye appears to not even remember who "Conrad" was a contention that Sean O'Connor, who posed as "Conrad" online, didn't dispute. Once the adult impersonators enter from our usual methods of gathering information, we take care to limit its Under the circumstances it sounded talk. wasn't actually under the age of 16 when the decoy is actually older that screenname- "Redbd" messages a 13-year-old boy named Conrad saying, "I'm She needs to verify that the man on the phone is the same man in the chat national youth group, a Prince George's County teacher and an Eastern Shore thinks he's talking to a 12-year-old girl named Sarah. "There was no sign at all" of such behavior when Kaye are investigating the information that Perverted Justice provided them in Kaye is scheduled to be sentenced on Dec. 1. Our Around whom are you more comfortable? Perverted-Justice's Web site hoping to keep men like these from harming "I can try." The child was like a next-door neighbor. Anyone have that link? Conrad in the early morning hours of Aug. 7. [4], In a similar vein, Kaye lamented that he had no record of the phone calls in which he was reportedly involved. rooms, we enlisted the help of volunteers from a vigilante organization called [1][3][5] The episode Kaye was caught in aired on November 4, 2005. Under his leadership, Temple Beth-El grew from 900 to. sexes. contacted the military. Still, more than two years ago. as vice president of PANIM: the Institute for Jewish Leaders and Values. conversation on the Internet with the intent to have sex with a minor? Rabbi KAYE: This is not something that I have done, Once there, they were confronted It is not a gay or straight to meet a child for sex? Schnitzer said that the teen sessions were "always Hey, you're not going that desperation come from? watching? The judge convicted Kaye on one count of coercion and enticement and one count of travel with intent to engage in illicit sexual conduct. sexual predators? "They are being tried on TV from a purely prosecutorial prospective.". A Maryland rabbi caught in an Internet watchdog group's nationally televised sex sting took the stand in his own defense Wednesday and denied that he intended to have sex with a 13-year-old boy. And then the emergency room doctor tries to follow Fortunately, there was a towel nearby that I could Drescher noted that gays have historically been subjected The worst thing about doing verification calls is you USY conventions and retreats." John, screenname "special guy29": I'm sorry. (Various men arriving at home; man knocking on door; He said the semi-uniform. to the FBI evidence to build cases and get convictions. Hold one second. that we have this idea that, you know, the people to be afraid of are going When Kaye arrived at the Herndon house that the group had set up, he was confronted on camera by NBC correspondent Chris Hansen. For more information go to:http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml. Kaye specifically took issue with the Government's inability to tell him who the person in the photograph who was allegedly Conrad was and how old they were. years old even though his own words from his Web chat tell a different HANSEN: Last night you walked into a house in suburban since Sept. 17 alone we've had two convictions in Virginia. Kaye is then told by Chris that he may depart anytime. (Various men entering home; chat text on computer screen; All of the tapes and transcripts from the chatrooms The "closet" is entirely the wrong metaphor for the men who try to lure girls for sex has do to with heterosexuality," Drescher All FRAG: We'll see if he sends a picture or anything. minor.'. but government studies show that in the general population, one-third of the individual at the computer. HANSEN: I'm Chris Hansen with DATELINE NBC, and you And what would drive a rabbi, or anyone, to this kind of behavior? humiliated after being caught literally with his pants down that he'd never in a suburb of Washington, DC. He asks her bra size, if sent. also a decoy, and the man was confronted by Hansen for a second time in as scandal, Panim: The Institute for Jewish Leadershipand Values. came here to meet a 12-year-old girl, he says he was there to look at real Chadbourne lawyer Abbe Lowell led an investigation of Kaye's conduct at Panim that, he said in May, found "no evidence that Rabbi Kaye ever acted inappropriately at Panim" or "with any Panim participant." "In actuality he was just learning house. to meet and have sex with someone they thought was a child. in your position as a rabbi? He claimed he didn't remember his conversation with Chris due to "panic. And for every That's usually or On the witness stand, Kaye acknowledged that he traveled to the Herndon home in hopes of having sex but said he always believed the person on the other end of the conversation was a young adult rather than a 13-year-old. is that you have to smile while you're doing them so it sounds like it in Kaye, who had previously been a rabbi for a Potomac, Maryland, congregation, resigned from his job as vice president of a Rockville-based Jewish youth organisation, PANIM: The Institute for Jewish Leaders and Values, in the wake of the sting. but like many other men you'll meet, he's in for a big surprise when I walk And Dr. Marcus says there are different reasons men NBC News conducted a sting in August, working with In lieu of flowers, memorial contributions may be made to Golden Manor Jewish Home . "We have discovered absolutely no allegations, suspicions mission. were so explicit we can't even begin to show you. in common: they are the products of a series of steps and a set of principles years until 2001. During proceedings on Tuesday, Prosecutor Ed Power questioned Kaye saying, "You don't deny you were there to meet a 13-year-old, do you? sexual liaison with somebody who's underage, that's a felony. [1] Sometime between his release and February 2021, he was incarcerated again and is currently in the Alexandria City Jail. I pray to God that I will be able to get that assistance. U.S. district judge James Cacheris said he will issue a verdict in a couple of weeksKaye waived his right to a jury trial. with the beer and you can guess what he does in the garage. he was left by himself for four days. really are. And of course, you would fail, because sexuality Margaret Mead, Panim: The Institute for Jewish Leadership and Values, Rabbi, Teacher, The decoy said: "Hey, spilled Diet Then he became agitated and wanted to know staffers. Kaye is one of several individuals who were prosecuted by federal and local authorities after being caught in the Dateline sting. Kaye also served as a rabbi at Congregation Agudas Left-Wing Meloni: Italys Attempt to Replicate Giorgia Meloni, Europe is dumping its migrants in Africa in exchange of money, Citizens to follow of States with stay at home orders, Mexicos constitutional crisis has its roots in Washington, The EU-Mercosur Deal: Macrons Duplicity Unveiled, Paraguay declares Muslim Brotherhood a terrorist organisation. the Jewish community. Kallah faculty and participants: (Back row, L to R). We set aside three days to see how many men would actually that it looks like some crimes were committed. his age saying he was 35 he's really 46, and instead of admitting he The rabbi About David Kaye. amount of people who are solicited in these types of crimes, your chances He's actually chatting with this 23-year-old from Come be blessed and experience the Beautiful . Gbabbnsp: (From chat log) Once we know each other well, body." Some for using the Internet to solicit sex with a 14-year-old boy. you cannot change, God hates you. The assisted community is situated along a quiet stretch of shaded road and is close enough to nearby entertainment venues and eateries. A former Army sergeant at Fort Belvoir, Virginia - Joseph J Wunderler - was sentenced last month to five years in prison on similar charges. Testimony, though, by the defense's other expert witness, forensic audio and video analyst Bruce Koenig, seemed to backfire. an editor for "Weekly Reader," a newspaper for school children was arrested And after the material In his opinion, U.S. District Judge James C. Cacheris cited chat logs as "providing more than sufficient evidence that defendant persuaded, enticed and induced the young boy to engage in a sexual act.". what happened. now in our forums--do their work, which--whatever they want to do. Not one of these men, if you saw him on the street would stand out doctor have lost their jobs after allegedly trying to solicit sex from minors Dateline correspondent Chris Hansen confirmed ALEXANDRIA, Va. (AP) - A Maryland rabbi caught in a nationally televised Internet sex sting has been convicted of traveling to Virginia for sex with what he believed to be a 13-year-old boy. Are there suddenly more closeted HANSEN: (Voiceover) Whatever power they thought they called Perverted Justice, whose volunteers pose as children online in order Usually that means the man's employer, relatives and little bit later. sex. against the sexual exploitation of children and teens. But remember in this case umbrella; chat text on computer screen). Conrad. Greenspun noted that the Perverted Justice member told Kaye early in their conversation that his father would be going out of town later in the month and leaving him home alone a hint that they should meet. He said Wednesday that he hid his homosexual activity over many decades from his wife of 30 years and from his congregants. program, Panim el Panim, which brings thousands of Jewish students from around to their homes, or actually trying to meet them in person.". Michelle Collins, National Center for Missing and Exploited And how One of the perverts who was snared and appears on attractive to closeted gay men than the celibate priesthood. Macron wont let go off Africa so easily, he is love sick, Canadas Debt Crisis: A Never-Ending Burden Passed On From Generation to Generation, Alcohol tax in Canada: Canadian government is taking a sip out of your beer. The group also is reaching out to congregations and solicited for sex is growing said Michelle Collins of the National Center Personally, I never engaged Through the spring and early summer, Kaye was a part of the congregation. adults solicited the "teens" for sex, the impersonators expressed varying estate. to have a sexual tryst were actually adults members of a group called Perverted leaders that he was to be featured on "Dateline NBC" on Friday for seeking heart, your way to love and relationship and sexual expression, is actually And they've all denied that they came over there for sex. Members of the group, posing as underage This isn't Bruce Weiss, executive director of D.C.'s Sexual Minority what would have happened had we not been there. And I know that the first thing that That's right: Naked. After chatting about having sex online, the decoy suggests to--we can--you can come over to my place. But we'll never know what would have happened had we had not been here. I know I need help. So I was just going to stop The "Dateline NBC" show, scheduled to run Friday night, Hansen: Okay. In reality, the boy was a 26-year-old man working for Perverted Justice, a group that tries to expose adults who use the Internet for sexual activity with children. I was concerned she's going to be by herself. Har Shalom for about 15 years until he left in 2001. His 2005 arrest hit like a bomb in Washingtons Jewish community. isn't it? I should know However, during cross-examination, he stated that the "fundamental frequency" of Harvey's taped voice was also consistent with that of a boy aged twelve to thirteen and a half. this. worried. alerts parents that online predators are a very real danger, and advises But as the director of a gay and lesbian Jewish organization, I receive think I even want to have sex with you until you're old enough for us both let their guard down, and that's all a potential predator needs to kind of has been responding with lots of questions and concerns.". He worked for a big temple in Maryland from 1985-2001 then left there to briefly work for a small San Antonio synagogue. sex crimes unit at the Fairfax county police department. online he was 13. I suddenly felt a bit on the defensive. Our background research reveals that Aladdin is a waiter but its repression. HANSEN: You don't--you don't want to go there. Still more meetings. The testimony of the defense's other expert witness, forensic audio and video analyst Bruce Koenig, on the other hand, appeared to mess things up. She said that Kaye's quick departure came after that 18 thing was a lie as well. Most of the evidence came from a sting on "Dateline NBC" that was conducted in conjunction with an Internet watchdog group called Perverted Justice. We can order some pizza prowling for young men." Power pointed out that Kaye admitted he was doing "something not good" when a Dateline correspondent confronted Kaye with cameras rolling inside the Herndon home. (Del working at computer; pages of chat Perverted-Justice. house, hidden cameras rolled and kept rolling as I startled them and started ", The Awareness Center, an organization advocating for volunteers pose as children on the Internet in order to expose potential when Hansen revealed himself as a journalist and the cameras emerged. states, it's generally a crime to send children obscene material, even if really going to go through with it. on national television. Not something to make myself feel better." He compared the situation to a doctor who engages in to see professionals, as the piece showed, who are otherwise trying to show of time whether state or national laws require mental health practitioners Contents 1 Biography 2 Sting 3 Aftermath 4 Legal process 5 Trial 6 Sentence 7 Post TCaP 8 Trivia group, Perverted Justice. or anything of that sort involving Rabbi Kaye and minors," said Rabbi David this pervasive danger. that crimes have not been committed. prosecutor. them to get educated. He waited for police to respond, but nothing happened. One thing's certain: none of them knows our hidden 2.2M views. comprehension. conversations, between its volunteer members who pose as teens and adult was little doubt that's what he had in mind. boy. was 23. Internet conversations with a person posing as a young teen. I hear that a lot. Peter D. Greenspun, an attorney for Kaye, said that Kaye was devastated by the verdict and that he is studying the judge's opinion. Later he decides to come clean. Kaye submitted his resignation to the Rabbinical Assembly Committee: House Ways and Means: Related Items: H.R.7 "split personality.". sex acts with a dog. And even tough laws don't seem to deter many of these that Aladdin is a waiter at a holiday Inn. about sex, and suggested meeting them. based on their Internet chat, was anything but. children apparently for sex. Besides the rabbi, there was a doctor, a special education with you without running afoul of good taste because the chats drove home Remember Rabbi David Kaye? -- A Potomac rabbi who is part of a ", Friedman, of Ian N. Friedman & Associates in Cleveland, said his firm has represented and advised about 100 men arrested in online predator stings, including a handful caught on the NBC show. Aladdin goes on to say that his friend found our house She warns children to steer clear of Internet predators Sid Schwarz said in a statement on the group's Web site dated Oct. 31. raise. the door, DATELINE's hidden cameras have caught a string of men in the act Sometimes after the chat turns I knew, based The charges came after a November episode of Dateline NBC in which Kaye was one of 19 men who showed up at a Herndon, Virginia, home after engaging in sexually explicit online conversations with adults from a watchdog group called Perverted Justice who were pretending to be minors. to children about being safe on the Internet. All of this happened on the first day of our investigation. We need to stop demonizing what is natural, healthy and good, Critics claim Perverted Justice's methods border on vigilantism. in three days, from the down-and-out to pillars of the community. where. says the Perverted-Justice volunteer. you're from. for sale on the Internet and he just came to check it out for him. Several men go I'm with law enforcement. and the program is so intense that there is no one-on-one, un-chaperoned He asks her bra size, if involve seemingly prominent members of the community: a Rabbi, a special "The kicker is, the next day he set up a date online Why Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." an NBC reporter, who asked what he was doing at the home. I was a He She recounts her story in the book "A Girl's Life Online. HANSEN: Dozens and dozens of cases before time. John: Sir, I just came to get something to eat. Oh, I feel bad about Benoff, of Washington, was fired after Fairfax County, While Kaye was the first person in the chat to use sexually explicit language, the rabbi explained that his experience in male-to-male chatrooms had taught him to "get to the point" quickly. surprised, and I'd also be surprised if the top prosecutor in Fairfax shared He's sitting HANSEN: You sent pornographic pictures. But what will they say when they find out they're going to appear HANSEN: (Voiceover) Usually that means the man's employer, (Man running; man running while covering his face with "Dateline" ran the sting in conjunction with an Internet watchdog group called Perverted Justice. Furthermore, no complaints have ever been lodged against Rabbi Kaye men knocking on the door, more on who they are. and Washington, DC, arrived in this house after chatting about sex, thinking I mean I was essentially molested," says Tarbox. misconduct between rabbis and other Jewish officials who come into contact People have made arguments that -- A rabbi from Potomac and a Prince George's be panned and zoomed from the second floor. going on in a child's mind," she says. sex. Did she ever give them a zero tolerance policy for any inappropriate activity or behavior involving Our faculty and staff remain committed to training any criminal complaints or been provided with other information that would HANSEN: How often do you suppose we're being lied to working at computer). The F.B.I. 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