I was also intrigued by the Baptist form of preaching, energetic compared to Catholic masses. Crash The Chatterbox: Hearing Gods Voice Above All Others. does not equate to Gods blessing. That what it says. Do you? People shouldnt have to search the web to find out whether anyone claiming the name of Jesus is trustworthy but they do. Joyce Meyer, greatest Bible teacher alive today . The Father and Son are obviously, clearly, biblically, and logically distinct from one another. Church is changing too quickly because of the influence of these false teachers. My father used to say that people rarely and almost never amass large amounts of money and wealth without deceptive practices. Tony, Id love for him to prove me wrong, to explain what he meant, and express clearly that his views match what we see in the Bible. MANY are quietly doing exactly that: being used by God to grow His kingdom. Im not sure that what youve written makes sense. The Bible is full of examples to the contrary. Its NOT a definitive answer. Steven Furtick is a very popular speaker. I hope you wont just take my word for any of this, but will continue to search the Scriptures and make sure that what youre hearing matches what God has already said. This is wrong, per Romans 14 and I would suggest that its often actually sin. Our trust is seen as so powerful that God is unable to act without it. While its true that our faith can prompt God to act, our lack of faith cannot prevent Him from acting if He wants to. If our lack of faith prevented Him from acting, then nobody could be saved ever. Im not blaming you, but pointing out that what youve written has been condemned by Christians throughout history as being entirely unbiblical. I do sincerely appreciate you taking the time to write. Dont listen to false teachers, and dont defend those who teach falsely. Furtick is simply pouring his own meaning into the words you might hear at the church you grew up in. I hope you wont be discouraged by what Ive written, and I hope youll accept the challenge to dig into Gods Word to see the truth for yourself. Thank you for all you have written. Thanks. He's more performer than pastor. That would make Him subordinate to the law, and to the one who gave the law. Wommack, like every other Word of Faith teacher, claims that the power is in us, that we are the ones who determine whether were healed, and that God has already provided healing for all believers but we have to manifest it by faith. I is the first person, You is the second person, They is the third person. As soon as I started explaining why we should consider people like Steven Furtick to be false teachers, my traffic DOUBLED. Therefore, if anyone is in Christ,the new creationhas come:The old has gone, the new is here! I especially resonated with your statement that many false teachers today change the focus of the gospel from God to humanity. For that, Im glad. You shared, we see that the Father, the Son, and the Spirit are not the same as each other. Steven Furtick is a very popular speaker. Wouldnt it be terrible if we spared each other the truth, and allowed our brother or sister to miss out on heaven? Im not making a mountain out of a molehill here, Thomas. If healing belongs to us, why was Paul never healed? I agree with you that Furtick genuinely believes what he is teaching so my heart breaks. Its good that I leave in physical form because then I can give you in spiritual form, then I can direct you from a deeper place.. Theres no limit to what God CAN do, but there are limits to what He WILL do. In your last response to Thomas you said: Iron does indeed sharpen iron and some friction is a necessary part of that process. I only disagree inasmuch as friction is essential. Ive had to NOT put some of my favorite songs on the website because I found that they were made by worship ministers at Joel Osteens church, or wherever. Sometimes, pastors make bad decisions. She is only sleeping. But they (the doubters) laughed at Him. You have permission to edit this article. Thanks, so I will just try to answer a couple of things. But, you are saying he did this by a sovereign act of his will, how can that be, since he specifically said; according to your faith be it unto you, as even your answer to such question, does our faith play a part in how God interacts with us, including healings. In that case, your complaint seems irrelevant. Why did he always point seekers to the Father? The only legitimate claims of modalists on this topic are the ones on which everyone agrees: there is one God. Youre wise to combine the different gospel accounts to reconcile our beliefs. Im less likely to trust anyone who makes a point to call another out in this fashion. Thanks for doing this. We know that salvation is translated from the Greek word; Sozo which includes healing. May God have mercy on him, his family, his church, friends, associates, and all who listen to him. That doesnt make it wrong, of course but we should be careful about embracing concepts that are far removed from their source. When people defend false teachers and repeat their errors, thats bad too right? "I got married after my freshman year of college, and gave birth to my first daughter shortly after. No: Jesus was UNABLE to perform the miracles He wanted to perform because the people of Nazareth lacked faith. Second: who does it apply to? However: teaching that Moses is I Am goes too far. You and I both know that we dont save ourselves, yet many persist in the false notion that its our faith-filled words that save us. Is it because Steven Furtick tickles YOUR itching ears? My spirit is bothered when I hear him, thankfully. But as for, thats what it means to say that Christ was from the beginning? God is Spirit and we who worship him must worship him in Spirit and TRUTH (John 4:24), so, no, dont agree with Steven Furtick. Pastor Furtick is one of the chosen. Yes, that. From Scripture, we know that Jesus is NOT the Father, and that Jesus is NOT the Holy Spirit, and that the Holy Spirit is NOT the Father. First: what does this passage actually SAY? The Trinity of God is like man being a spirit having a soul and living in body. In this specific conversation, the question is whether Jesus COULD HAVE performed more miracles in Nazareth, or COULD NOT HAVE. The text gives no indication that it might apply to any other writing by any other author. Remember Jesus words about the sower, and the four kinds of soils. If knowing the difference between faithful biblical teaching and false teaching matters, then I made a wise decision to begin writing about what false teachers say. Then, along with crew members crowded into the tiny camper, the platinum blonde minister began jumping. The Word of God also describes Jesus in these ways: >> Jesus Himself said that HE and the Father would indwell us. This includes everything from healing diseases to creating universes. Received you the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? And He therefore that ministers to you the Spirit, and works miracles among you, does he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Galatians 3: 2 and 5 I hope that you wont take my word for it, Kathleen. "It's a pretty intense room," said Larry Brey, Elevation's Connections Pastor and one of the jumpers. Jesus sacrifice was the trick that restored mans dominion. I really appreciate your conclusion as it shows compassion and love. Nevertheless, I think it is an attitude that should be addressed. Modalism is the unbiblical idea that there is one God who is only one person and that when we see the Father, Son, and Spirit, we are seeing three different manifestations of the same single person. He just changed forms. Theres nothing wrong with that. Almost all of the books in the New Testament warn us about false teachers, and tell us what to do when we find them. Paul wanted to be healed, but never appropriated his healing. Jesus cannot override someones unbelief. In other words, God mostly withheld His power from the stiff-necked people who held Jesus in contempt. Yet that is not true, for the word is clear; John 12:47 And if anyone hears My words and does notbelieve,I do not judge him; forI did not come to judge the world but to save the world. One thing that even the son of God cant do. I know this is off-topic from your post, but it struck me enough to lead me to comment. If youd like to address the idea that God is or is not omnipotent, go ahead. While it is true, we dont observe them anymore, the reason we dont is not that they no longer apply, but there is no longer anything to apply them to. Let me know if youre in. ), 5. That sounds good, but its the opposite of what we see in the Bible. Seems to me it is a pure case of it. ADVICE: Are North Americans wimps when it comes to pain tolerance? Again, My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness. Thank you for Narcigesis! These where mass healings, revealing his power, but there were others who had to seek and ask. From Scripture, we know that there is only ONE God. Instead, Christ could not do many miracles because the circumstances under which the Lord readily shows Himself were not present. What matters is what the Bible teaches, and whether those who preach and teach in Jesus name are teaching falsely. Please, I beg you: do your homework. Generally, the rest disprove modalism. Nazarite vows are a special case. Im encouraged by these discussions, as iron does sharpen iron. As founder and lead pastor, he has helped grow the multi-site Elevation Church into a global ministry through online streaming, television, and the music of Elevation Worship. What youve written makes it sound like you think thats unnecessary. It sounds like youre ready to help fix things too, which puts a smile on my face. The most proper method is known as exegesis, or reading out of Scripture. A defining feature of most Word of Faith teachers is known as the little gods doctrine. Im often asked to assess what others teach. All of the New Testament? Right? Appreciate that look up. Again, he seems to have passed up the opportunity to clarify that his words werent intended to contradict Scripture. He made them all go outside. I appreciate the tone of our conversation very much. Dont you think the disciples were confused when Jesus told THEM to feed the 5,000? Last year, Furtick made headlines when his church doled out $40,000 to members, in envelopes filled with $5, $20, even $1,000, and told them to spend it kindly on others. There can be just one family. In Numbers 11, Moses doubted that Gods plan to feed meat to the Israelites would work. Pastor Steven Furtick (left), of Elevation Church, and Pastor Terrell Murphy, of New Birth Charlotte, pray together before a large crowd at the close of a shared service for the two churches at Cricket Arena in Charlotte, N.C. Furtick and staffers get together in a camper parked next to Providence High as they prepare for a Sunday sermon. Its not that I cant identify error, its that I cant know someone elses motivation. Moses said to God, Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, The God of your fathers has sent me to you, and they ask me, What is his name?Then what shall I tell them?, God said to Moses, I am who I am. Thank you and God bless you. Do you know what his conclusion was? Its not about Steven Furtick, but about the fact that he teaches unbiblical ideas in the name of Jesus Christ. Jesus decisions about who to heal could have had several reasons or hundreds, or thousands behind them. I have nothing personal against him, and I dont know whether hes saved. Jesus obediently passed on to us the things that the Father told Him to say. Thats part of why Ive decided, after 24 years of having online discussions about Jesus, to go ahead and write about false teachers: so many have simply been deceived. Judge not yet you be judged. Its also a heresy known as panentheism. It is false to teach that God is a multiple personality being. Trinity is somewhat difficult to understand. God would have been an abstract theory. Death and life is in the power of your tongue, not Gods. I also listened to Furticks full sermon on this subject yesterday. 9:23,24. God can and does use faithful people, unfaithful people, and even wicked people for His own purposes. There are countless clear statements like these in Scripture, and Oneness theology pretty much denies them all. Im not sure why, at this point, youre still not acknowledging that this specific thing that Furtick taught is false. I cant ignore them, either. I believe he believes what hes saying. Its no coincidence that the book of Jude is just before the Book of Revelation. Unfortunately, thats where it ends. In and of itself, that should be enough to avoid him. Thats good stuff. Healing belongs to us in Christ Jesus, and yet its up to us to receive it, take it, with your faith. The problem is what the people teach, and the damage done to both believers and non-believers alike. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.. I see that you dont write to condemn him, but to objectively note his errors. Not the people, but the ideas, and the spiritual forces behind those ideas. Why imperfect? Every life is a miracle and every child a blessing, true. We know him only as a regular guy, not somebody with any special favors from God, and they were offended in him verse 56. We can know they are three distinct persons, as indicted in this conversation; Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: Genesis 1:26. So, singing Jehovahs Witness songs would put licensing money in their pockets, furthering their ministry while promoting them as a source of good religious music. We are talking about Furtick as a teacher and his interpretation of Matthew 13:58, yet Matthew Henry is a teacher, and said the very same thing, will you draw him into this category too? Connecting to Apple Music. No, Im not aware of him teaching on sin and repentance. By the way: Leviticus 15 doesnt even come close to suggesting that the woman was under threat for breaking the law. Because basically it comes down to; He did not, because he could not, because of their lack of faith! As the founder and pastor of Elevation Church - home of the popular Christian music group Elevation Worship - he has a great amount of influence and a worldwide audience. If you can provide evidence that one of these people has recanted their false teaching, please let me know. However, just because something is debated doesn't mean that both sides have valid arguments. Im trying to understand what modalism is and why as Christians it is the wrong belief system. As for healing, heres some of what false teacher Andrew Wommack says and none of it matches what we see in the Bible: Unfortunately, thats a big fat NOPE. They are separate, as they are different. If you knew that he was teaching falsely, I dont believe you would repeat his errors, because you know that what we believe about God really matters. A lot of people disagree with me, but theres TONS of good music out there. As an aside, I have doubts that Furtick even has a clue about perichoresis. GO. Matthew 26 gives us more: My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. I appreciate the fact that you did your homework! Especially when you can see the iron (microscopic amounts) from one transferring to the other. (He mentioned Rocky IV in his sermon last Sunday and in a recent Facebook Live. Im not sure I trust myself to draw that line about people Ive never met. Many people such as Paul himself before his conversion, along with his brother Pharisees, know the Word. While I appreciate the graciousness of wanting to give people the benefit of the doubt, there are (at least) three problems with this idea. In context, Furtick is teaching about how we see ourselves versus how God sees us. A Baptist pastor. God is a molecular structure that fills all in all. It is fascinating to watch in slow motion and magnified. The law of the Lord is perfect (Psalm 19:7-10) and God could not break his own law for sin is the transgression of the law. (1 John 3:4);thus Christ was undefiled sinless Lamb of God and therefore as priest and victim He would make the perfect sacrifice to atone for sin. Some criticize: He's taking members from other churches. That would be the Father, Son, and Spirit who would be considered separate, not one. There's also the cool factor, stoked by a marketing-savvy Elevation staff of flip-flop-and-T-shirt-wearing twentysomethings. Thats what it means to say that Christ was from the beginning. While you and I would probably be on the same page as to what those things mean, its important to be clear: If you and I sat down over lunch and talked about these things, Im confident that we would find a lot of common ground. Third: what is this scroll? Elevation Church founder and senior Pastor Steven Furtick and his wife, Holly, recently came under fire online for supporting their teenage son's music, which includes references to sex, guns and excesses of money. That we should ignore his false teaching is not. Id love to hear how it goes, Mary! And he marvelled because of their unbelief. I only have one question for you: Do you agree that God is a molecular structure that fills all in all? I would suggest that this conversation might take place over several days or weeks, rather than in one sitting. Can not get any clearer than that! They represent the consensus view of all of Scripture, old and new. Admittedly, this is absolutely a rabbit trail but I am enjoying your feedback so I will press on. I mean, werent first-century believers also indwelt by the Holy Spirit? You will receive a receipt via mail and email once your donation has been processed. He grew up in Moncks Corner, South Carolina alongside Matthew Furtick born in 1983. A very simple way to assess anyones belief system is to ask them about the nature of God. It is all ONE God, not three different personalities, or persons. GodWords exists to point people in the direction of Scripture for all things, not to provide a place for everybody to say whatever they want. I too get tired of the nonsense, and the focus on secondary issues, and on the desire to be entertaining rather than edifying. To paraphrase 1 Corinthians 2:14, spiritual things are Spiritually discerned. Paul was unaware that God could heal him, so he was never healed. Steven Furtick is a pastor, Grammy-award winning songwriter, and producer, & New York Times best-selling author. The trinity is hard to understand because God is triune, but nothing else is. Yes, youre setting him up. These are only a few of the many, many passages that show that the Father and Son are not the same person. Examples include, a choir, a team, an audience, a congregation, a couple, etc. I want to be discerning. This is what happens when we put ourselves into the text. I can certainly use the discussion to teach people how to handle Scripture properly, how the teachings of the Word of Faith movement come directly from New Thought, and how they distort the biblical record about God and man. Contrary to what they teach, the Bible clearly teaches there is nothing that prevents God from doing what He wants to do. Of course, youve already made up your mind. Let me know if you have any questions. So many are just so full of an arrogant and jealous spirit that it deters away from the truth they are giving. Godly people would never drink alcohol. . Pauls entire ministry illustrates the selfless nature of the true Shepherd. They celebrated their honeymoon by traveling around the Caribbean on a cruise. There is only one God, and He never created anything like Himself so we cant say that He is like an egg, or an apple, or the sun, or whatever. So I agree and hope God reveals the truth to him. For example: in the passage above, where Jesus is in His hometown, we should read what the text says and learn from what it says. I cant turn my back on those who come to me for help and many are looking for answers who will never send me an email. Does he teach the importance of obedience, Does he teach how important it is to get sin out of your life, Does he teach you how to build a close personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Our mindset is important, but we need to be transformed by the renewing of our minds. He draws us to Himself. Please, Thomas: keep studying what God has said in His Word. Healing comes not from the outside in, it comes from the inside out. You inspire me to work harder to be encouraging, so youre awesome. If saved , is the man that teaches error deliberately contradicting the Holy Spirit ? ), 9. It seems reasonable to conclude that Jesus healed some because they had faith and wanted to be healed, and didnt heal others because they lacked faith. Steven Furtick (@stevenfurtick) July 30, 2017. Yet not as I will, but as you will. There were plenty of people that Jesus never healed. You say, it is not a logical and biblical explanation that He chooses to act under certain circumstances, and to not act in others, as God is not the author of confusion. With respect, you really havent thought this through. Thats undeniably false. "They really are the major show in town for (those) 20 to 32," the Rev. I wonder whether hed really like me after finding out that Ive written about him. Unfortunately, many false teachers have perfectly orthodox statements of faith. He did not make us multiple personality beings, but made us in HIS image. This story was originally published March 10, 2017, 7:00 PM. God the Father, son and spirit is one and same person in three forms to carry out different functions for man. All I did was point out the fact that you were repeating false teaching, which is OF COURSE irresponsible. This is further spoken of in Galatians 3:5, He therefore that ministers to you the Spirit, and works miracles among you, does he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith As This power that works in us is the Spirit, which must be activated by faith! I only do so because people write to me and ask whether this teacher or that teacher can be trusted. I teach this very plainly: bad things are always bad, and never good. If a man is labeled as a false teacher and not only a weaker brother , can he possibly be a child of God. Look at James 3:1: Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly. The couple met each other at North Greenville University while they were both students and hit it off. The best analogy Ive come across and the one that Ive found is not only the most useful but the most accurate, is the term family. Steven Furtick is an interesting person, a gifted communicator, and probably a pretty nice guy. Finally: we who follow Jesus should not consider false teachers our enemies. When Jehovahs Witnesses talk about Jesus, theyre using words that sound the same, but have a different meaning. God is spirit. Jesus said the HolySpirit proceeds from the Father. In a Facebook post from 2021, Furtick wrote this: Following Jesus doesnt change you into something else, it reveals who youve been all along. You need fellowship with real Christians, and they need fellowship with you. Id rather say that hes a fantastic teacher, that he carefully studies Scripture and clearly communicates Gods Word to his audience. Find out whether the people you listen to are teaching what we find in the New Testament, or not. Anyone who disagrees with what Furtick teaches must a) be envious, b) ignorant of how God has blessed his church, and c) a deceiver. I think your all wrong you all a I have religious spirit like the Pharisees because Pastor Steve speak the truth and you cant handle the truth -you water down the word of truth make hard -this is my opinion Shame on all you all one you be judges for accusing your brother in Christ instead of support him -you you dont look good pick part everything that you dont like only have itching ears you are like your father the devil may God help you all. Modalists have that part right: there is only ONE God. When Jesus spoke, it was not the Father speaking through Him. For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. God is not a multiple personality being. That would be closer to oneness theology than trinitarian. We dont want to fall into the same kinds of errors that false teachers fall into that is, reading a passage and then drawing conclusions that dont match the context. Besides Providence High in Charlotte, Elevation a Southern Baptist church holds packed services every Sunday at Butler High in Matthews, N.C., and, since last month, at Spirit Square in uptown Charlotte. So #1 is debunked. Is the Lords arm too short? They are all one God, but they are not different modes or manifestations or offices of one person. Muslims will say that Allah is perfect. Can a man present the gospel that may be doctrinally incorrect on other matters ? Dont you see? Your mention of John 3:18 sounds an awful lot like Furticks conclusion in that same sermon, which I have not yet added to the article above: that Jesus inability to perform the miracles He wanted to perform was caused by the peoples lack of belief IN THEMSELVES. Ive had people paste entire chapters of their books here, and then ask me to rebut each sentence directly. Its not a comprehensive look at the definition of false teachers, but its a start. They are both real in the spiritual realm, (both already provided according to 1 Peter 2:24), yet only procured through faith, for by grace through faith are we saved (sozo). If youre wrong, change. They did bad things, and no amount of awesomeness in the lives of their children can turn their crimes into blessings. You and I arent in Gamaliels situation. That notwithstanding, i believe as a human, we should be able to sieve what we are being told, take the good and ignore the evil. Jesus is the head of the church, and Hes chosen to use us to accomplish His goals. Hundreds of recently filed sexual abuse lawsuits could lead to the bankruptcy of the Catholic Diocese of Sacramento, the diocese's bishop said this week in a letter to the congregation. Its a combination of narcissism and eisegesis. Please feel free to respond to the content of that comment, rather than simply complaining about my tone. They had, apparently, disputed the indisputable. Do you tell immature believers, or impressionable non-believers, that they should take the good and ignore the evil? He has aided the multi-site Elevation Church into a global ministry through online streaming, television as well as the music of Elevation Worship. The idea that if there is evidence of Gods blessing this is proof of his approval. Increasingly, these young "Elevators" are bringing their curious parents. The standard in the New Testament is clear: we ARE to throw the baby out with the bath water. Thats okay. Thank you so much for the explanation. Christians are to be Torah-observant, except for sacrificing animals. God is not limited by creation, but is above creation, transcends creation. Is it part of Revelation? Jesus couldnt do many miracles why? Can You Go to Heaven if You're Not Baptized? Sorry, there are no recent results for popular videos. When He tells us, we should pay attention. Afterward, they reconvened at a 24-hour diner to talk about Christ. 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