My husband was so proud that he got to met the Bill Hybels and was so happy that he got to talk to him and have his picture taken with Bill Hybels. Why wait until now?? If I felt uncomfortable I removed myself from the situation and spoke up. BTW, when I confronted him publicly, his response wasnt, I didnt do it, but You wanted me to. A married man twice my age, I might add, who nobody liked. Please join me in praying for WCC, the victims, and the leaders. And then sometimes, you end up like me: done with it all, the system that props up people with give the title pastor, that is like fresh meat to the malignant narcissist. What needs to be addressed is that this is not a matter of somehow eliminating the existence of random perverts, as if such a thing were possible. This is going to get worse before it can get better. I also took 3 years of Biblical Hebrew and 4.5 years of Koine Greek thats NT greek. What I count is as follows: Theres something to these accounts. Stop claiming to be the victim! These are the things that The Church has to wake up to. Its what someone mentioned in another thread about 75% of people go along with whatever to be accepted. As it says in the bible, Who are we to judge? Shauna Niequist has apologised for failing to speak up after her father, Bill Hybels, was accused of sexual misconduct. psychology today says that When we hug or kiss a loved one, oxytocin levels increase; hence, oxytocin is often called the love hormone.. They are rarely anything alike. @ Barbara Roberts: Did her husband ask her not to say anything for FEAR of losing his job? He is the founder and CEO of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church), one of the most powerful and influential organizations globally. Wow. Nancy Ortbergs post is downright damning, IMO. I come from a family of Russian immigrants on my fathers side. Mary, you judge day in and day out. after the perps death before she told anyone. @ Davis and Natasha: On a subsequent conference trip to Hawaii, I went running with Bill and he struck up a conversation about the amnesiac side effects of Ambien. I pity you if thats the case. While WW can be messy, I think most poster here just want honesty, transparacy, and protection/respect of the weaker ones. There is really not a comparison to what the two men did. It was always funny to me (sad really) how when Bill Hybels prayed for/about something no matter what it was, that according to Hybels God always answered him immediately or within days. For most, even for insiders (like I used to be, 2x an elder) it takes a very long time to finally look at things as they actually are and admit Pastor is not only not a decent guy, but whether hes aware of it or not, hes likely sold out to the service of hell itself! And many of them are, perhaps a number that would shock us all. Bill Hybels verbally and emotionally intimidated both female and male employees. It may not be what everyone wants, even if it is innocent. I suspect (although I dont know for sure) that a hug creates a higher dose of oxytocin. Your man-made system may not have won, but the winner here may be the truth, you know. It never appeared that they were the type of people that would not speak up. Be the one who is loving and kind in the midst of sorrow, showing us that you trust Jesus to bring something beautiful out of this pain. I cant help but see your point here. It has bearing but perhaps not in the way that Jodi intends. And everyone wants to work there. Even then, she was ashamed about what happened to her, as if it was her fault. I go even further with it, Jack. Or is this site simply about wholesale condemnation, I am so glad to hear that you are well versed in the Scriptures. The focus was wrong and a bit too emphatic for me. Most common reaction in the world. Walking away from an institution is not the same as walking away from faith in Christ. These things are often expected immediately in the Christian world. It was part of his long time abuse of her. For further flow of events, see I, Claudius, Dune, and Game of Thrones. Read the books and follow the formula. This video was shot in and aroundKirkenesand Pas National Park bordering Russia, at 70 degree north and 30 degrees east. I dont think the view of hell is really the issue for the church leaders highlighted here. But on the wider scope, I asked the folks a work today if they knew what was happening at Willow Creek. Who would believe any of it if it were not for the Ortbergs? . If this very not such a serious matter, their would be some humor in this. What I count is as follows: Ive no doubt that there was irregularities going on at WCC. And David C Cook did not remove Tullian Tchividjians books at the time, though when I checked just now, it appears the only one they carry is the biography of Billy Graham for which he wrote the foreword. No one walks away unascathed. I have Every year for many years OT once and NT twice- every year. Willow Creek has run many many seminars teaching other churches how to impliment the Williow Creek model. I suspect there are nefarious folks who prefer hugging all genders to shaking hands, as hugging males, as well as females, gives them plausible cover when they go for the non-righteous hug with a female (saying, I hug everybody!) Plus, research shows that women (generally) are more influenced by touch, as they have higher releases of oxytocin when hugged than males and even have a more dramatic willingness than men under those circumstances to give someone their money. You described it so well. He describes how the skilled offender plans the way he will abuse the woman from day one. @ #UnbiblicalPaths: The Spirit works, sometimes over decades, with friends and acquaintances. One of the grandkids hugs on the yorkiepoo all the time. But it is also more than ethics here. However, just noticed a mega the founding family kids were using as their cash cow, followed by sexual indiscretions. So, why were Hybels emails so important that they had to be deleted? not for this long. if one has enough of those there seems to be a scale to weigh behaviors against. I was extremely uncomfortable with Hybels repeatedly reminding the church he was the one leading the charge to empower women. Two general statements: Then the man of God acts as if nothing happened.. (Hoping they picked the right winning faction). Really? Headless Unicorn Guy wrote: But if true it is still not honorable behavior. Instead, we are the be faithful to our calling. @ okrapod: So done. I wonder if churches have convinced themselves of the same. Solomon, Bathshebas second son by David. He could have retired during the Big 40th celebration and the women could have been supported and validated. The principles are sound, thoughwell enough to be applied to anyone's marriage, especially those looking to place God in the middle. Try as I might, I do not see that sort of response in ScriptureDo not be the disciple with the sword. They share two children named Shauna Niequist who is a bestselling Christian author and Todd Hybels Who Is Lynne Hybels Lynne is the co-founder of Willow Creek Community Church and author of Nice Girls Don't Change the World and a columnist for Sojourners magazine. Really? I have scolded him & tutted at what hes said & jokingly just gone go on , get out of here, but Id never tell his wife & risk that blowing anything in their family up. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FLT3Cb96-Mk. There are evil people who look like good people. So many perps being exposed it looks like the Lord is behind the exposure. Mary, I am going to assume that you have not been well taught on the subject of judgement. Rob Bells questioning of Hell has earned him a spot on the heresy list. I have seen it done for over 40 years now. I pity you if thats the case. So, Am I over thinking it?, one wonders. Frankly, I think people went to great lengths to protect Hybels including the women he groomed and hit on. Sexual predation is not based on *wanting to have sex. who originally wrote plastic jesus - is lynne hybels still married to bill - is lynne hybels still married to bill Invited women to their hotel rooms No wonder you have no qualms about slamming the Church, the bride of Christ. I bet she had help. And Posted travelpro skywalk vs maxlite. That is hard to deal with. Mistletoe killing an oak, @ Nancy2 (aka Kevlar): Together, they have two children, a son by the name of Todd Hybels and a daughter Shauna Niequist. This is a crucial part of dealing with horrors of abuse. There are many similar type of things over the years I did not mention. Why do one in three Christian marriages end in divorce? Dont jump to quickly to the question, How could an honest, intelligent person not have seen what was happening under his or her nose for years?. Sometimes theyre letting you know who theyve really been followingand who they havent been. I hope you are right about this. I guess you are not aware of the president for whom Hybels was a spiritual advisor. Obviously very biblically ignorant site!! And of course, the crisis management priority hangs over all of this. Brads comments only serve to make me wonder how many people worship Hybels instead of God. Lynne Hybelsis the wife of Bill Hybels-renowned founder and senior pastor of Willow Creek Community Church in Illinois, This year in 2018, Billhas been publicly accused of sexual harassment and h e has resigned from the megachurch he and Lynnefounded, In the last few months as this media storm has rained down confusion and grief on those at the I dont understand the purpose!!!!! And it shall come to pass that, like as I have watched over them to pluck up and to break down and to overthrow and to destroy and to afflict, so will I watch over them to build and to plant, saith Jehovah. (Jeremiah 31:28), @ Davis and Natasha: @ Law Prof: Gossip! The strength and impact of Nancy Beachs and Vonda Dyers words remain, thankfully. unteachable. And Charisma House/new Mark Driscoll book . Its amazing how many believers will interpret the metaphor of fruit differently, for example. If I were a member, I would call for a complete replacement. Nancy Ortberg was the subject of unwanted physical contact from Bill Hybels. The comments we disallow often have to do with abuse of victims along with some other things. The faith grew. So, let me challenge you, go back and rethink the *speck in the eye* verses. I knew all this stuff from my secular org development career but did not transfer it to the church setting right way. Its called passive aggressive and deflection. It means wearing Gods name like a banner (CHRIST-ian Leader) and then doing terribly ungodly things that represent Him poorly. I do not believe Jesus would have ever behaved the way you and John are acting. August 7, 2018. Where is the debater of this age? People can wait decades. So Im now wondering. teaching other churches how to impliment the Williow Creek model. That isnt what I was talking about and I should have clarified. I wonder if her crisis of faith was after finding out about something shady Bill was doing? We can all learn from this and make sure to teach your kids. As for the hug thing, & why didnt Nancy Ortberg say somethingwell, for a year or two now, my Christian neighbour, who Ive been friends with him & his wife for about 25 years, has been giving me lingering hugs, which end up with his hands resting on my lower back as often as he can when he drops into my house, hes made a few inappropriate comments about my breasts (they are a standing joke amongst me & my friends as Im a buxom lass), often tries to rub my shoulders as he knows I have shoulder issues& youre the first people Ive told. And whistleblowers are rarely the pristine good guys with no baggage. Its a good time to focus on Jesus, not on any leader, which is misguided faith in the first place. She no longer attended church (for at least a year) and she no longer trusted Jesus. Or is this site simply about wholesale condemnation. More than we know. Everyone who is still there from the elders to the lowliest either thinks like this or doesnt dare open their mouth. @ Bridget: Is it that tough for you to give Bill Hybels any redeeming value? How many women would even dare come forward after being called liars, drunks and suicidal? The creep factor never ceases to amaze me. Christian vs. Jew But, I seriously doubt your using scripture as a club will shame, convince or condemn many here. My mom was abused sexually. For you cross land and sea to make a single convert, only to turn him into twice the Child of Hell as yourselves! (Keep in mind I was having a hard time mapping that organizational understanding of leadership to servant of the Body of Christ in those days), You dont remember Bill grooming you? This is only the tip of the iceberg. Whatever it is, its wrong-headed. Is it that tough for you to give Bill Hybels any redeeming value? One caught my eye: Courageous Leadership. It legitimately creates automatic suspicion, and potential legal woes. Now, if we mean that believers at Willow Creek (or outside of it) will grapple with Mr Hybels and the Elders sins in these matters as they themselves become more sanctified, I can see that perspective. Just to preface: I am a nobody and not a perfect saint. This caliber of leaders dont just stay quiet. Even our laws in the US lead to punishment o f one chooses to disobey them . manner, outline your thinking and why you believe it to be true. 2 comments not allowed. It never appeared that they were the type of people that would not speak up. The headers which wont be encrypted give info on sender and recipients and dates. Both are the same in outcome). Driscoll will do quite well in charismatic ranks. In Christian theology, the Devil prefers deception and manipulation and the Long Con, NOT the Direct Frontal Attack you hear these days from Spiritual and Cultural Warriors. Steve Carter (Hybels hand picked teaching pastor) was on staff with Rob Bell at Mars Hill EMERGENT Church. The first half of the book, written by Lynne Hybels, explores the early years of Willow Creek and the personal accounts behind one of this century's most . No, the flesh made them do it! We would often rent out suites in hotels when there were medical conferences/ conventions going on. I guess Billy Graham never led anyone to Jesus then. i can not think of any good reason the pastor would want that! . I would be ROFL if it didnt mean that there are some folks who have been deceived. Stop attacking victims. Scapegoats? The important thing is to get people on the bandwagon, and manipulate them to maintain their undying love and loyalty. My bad. To all those women that have been psychologically damaged, what a needless tradegy. So much emphasis on good works at home & abroad, what about treating your brothers & sisters in leadership with respect that comes from a relationship w/ Christ. The retiring pastor calls it all collusion and lies. Even as red flag after red flag goes up, we push them aside (btw, I now view red flags as the Holy Spirit calling out Warning, this needs careful thought.). There is a reason that big names get away with so much. - Not even the great prophets got such responses. He was once featured in a Christian magazine. Very sad indeed. Senior 501(c)3 Willow Creek management apparently did not throughly examine the extent of the personal witness/testimony/allegations at the time of presentation. Jesus was a grand act to follow, and the disciples did it right. The inner motivations and thoughts of an individual. Has anyone complained about inappropriate behavior from John Ortberg? It is easy for me to be critical (it may be my spiritual gift) but I do join with Dee in praying for the church. Since Hybels resigned, a few of the accusers have stated that they did not want it to come to that. IM HEIR TO HIS THRONE! Lather, Rinse, Repeat, Lather, Rinse, Repeat, Lather, Rinse, Repeat, Pingback: Some Thoughts on Supposedly Feminist Men Who Reportedly Abuse/Harass Women | futuristguy. @ Dee Parsons: https://futuristguymedia.wordpress.com/pyramid-of-abuse-and-culpability-complicity/. @ dee: In the end the price has already been paid by Jesus and its Only By Grace that we enter.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv72Q23lIp0. There will always be outrage when the celebrity idols are touched in any way. Ambien or the Devil it is always Something/one Elses Fault. I have said that I do not appreciate victim denigration which is inherent in her supposed expos .Enough is enough. Note: Nancy Ortberg served as a teaching pastor for eight years at Willow Creek Community Church. 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