He soon multiplied to become six pairs of twins. The Dogon were in fact aware of the fact that Sirius is a binary system (i.e. Laird Scranton makes it clear that he ruled out this possibility in this interview. Sirius B was first observed in 1862, and had been predicted in 1844 on dynamic grounds. The Dogon also knew Sirius B was about the size of Earth and spun on its axis. 11.1. [12] According to Oberg, the Dogons' astronomical information resembled the knowledge and speculations of late 1920s Europe, suggesting that the Dogon were influenced by European visitors before their mythology was recorded in the 1930s. WebThe population numbers between 400,000 and 800,000.. . Its appearance in the dawn sky over Egypt warned of the impending Nile floods and the summer's heat and marked the beginning of the Egyptian calendar. Noah Brosch explained in his book Sirius Matters that cultural transfer could have taken place between 19th century French astronomers and Dogon tribe members during the observations of the solar eclipse on 16 April 1893. Feature Articles Dogon shame Did ancient gods from the Sirius star system visit an African tribe 5,000 years ago? The Dogon are believed to be of Egyptian decent and their astronomical lore goes back thousands of years to 3200 BC. Skeptic Jason Colavito counts The Sirius Mystery among the body of works in a tradition of ancient astronaut ideas he believes were ultimately inspired by H. P. Lovecraft's Cthulhu Mythos.[13][14]. To quote Ancient Mysteries: While Temple, following Griaule, assumes that to polo is the invisible star Sirius B, the Dogon themselves, as reported by Griaule, say something quite different. To quote the Dogon: When Digitaria (to polo) is close to Sirius, the latter becomes brighter; when it is at its most distant from Sirius, Digitaria gives off a twinkling effect, suggesting several stars to the observer. This description of a very visible effect causes James and Thorpe to wonder as anyone reading this should do whether to polo is therefore an ordinary star near Sirius, not an invisible companion, as Griaule and Temple suggest. It is also possible to conclude that such a star could in no way be responsible for the flurry of sightings from the 1920s, it would be too faint and too close to Sirius A to have ever been seen by visual observers.[17]. Most important, no one, even within the circle The two anthropologists had lived among the Dogon tribe in Africa since 1931, and in 1946 Griaule was initiated into the religious secrets of the tribe. Temple considers alternative possibilities other than alien contact, such as a very ancient, advanced, and lost civilization that was behind the sudden appearance of advanced civilization in both Egypt and Sumer. star" (Sirius B) and describe its density and rotational He was told that fishlike creatures called the Nommo had come to Earth from Sirius to civilizes its people. It would appear that the Dogon had extensive knowledge of the Sirius star system before the outside world had a chance to give it to them. The inspiration for this claim was a star map produced by Betty Hill while under hypnosis. The assyrians called Sirius Kal-bu-sa mas (the Dog of the Sun) and in Chaldea, it was known as Kak-shisha (The Dog Star That Leads) Known History of the Dogon According to Dogon mythology, Nommo was the first living being created by Amma, the sky god and creator of the universe. extraterrestrials, the Nommos, some 5,000 years ago. scientific equipment, so how could they get this knowledge? "There is some evidence," he points out, "that the Dogon like to frame pictures with an ellipse, and that Temple may be mistaken about the claim that in Dogon mythology the planets and Sirius-B move in elliptical orbits." In 1965, Arthur Young gave Robert Temple a French article on the secret star lore of the Dogon, an article written by two French anthropologists Marcel Griaule and Germaine Dieterlen. "Perhaps (Oberg) is unaware," Temple went on, "that the differential curvature of the earth variously distorts distances shown on maps. Afrocentrists, on the other hand, claimed that the Dogon could see As the brightest star in the sky it was known and worshiped by ancient civilizations. The Demon-Haunted World - Science as a Candle in the Dark (New It blazes forth from the constellation of Canis Major (Big Dog), giving it the inevitable nickname of the Dog Star. WebNew evidence deals a devastating blow to what was considered to be the best case for extraterrestrial visitation. The mystery of the ancient "red" Sirius also remains baffling. from black Egyptians who had telescopes. Zeta Reticuli 2 (with about the same temperature and mass as the Sun) is another candidate. Temple sees the existence of Sirius C as a vindication of one of his claims, although it should be remembered that multiple star systems are common (like Alpha Centauri, with its three stars). All rights reserved. This would have wreaked havoc on the climate of any planets orbiting Sirius A. Moon is traveling through Cancer today. Schroder, D.J., et al. knowledge of the satellites of Jupiter and rings of Saturn, among other For instance, the anthropologist Walter Van Beek, who studied the Dogon after Griaule and Dieterlen, found no evidence that the Dogon considered Sirius to be a double star and/or that astronomy was particularly important in their belief system. ", Temple replied in Fate: "The pattern published in my book was drawn by a professional cartographer who earns his living by drawing reliable maps for an international corporation." They seem to have S]V',H79aD>1 Q@d(FOY;"36y0Z{VXEJwOx._tto}#&i|HR-i4 They all have one thing in common: enormous monsters. contact with some ugly, amphibious* The Dogons were not isolated. The basic thesis is this: the Dogon (who live in the African nation of Mali, near the border with Burkina Faso) allegedly have long possessed arcane astronomical knowledge that should have been impossible for them to discover without modern telescopes. The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. This is the original Dogon drawing. James, P., N. Thorpe, and I. J. Thorpe. The diagram is only convincing as a representation of Sirius B orbiting Sirius A when most of the original symbols are eliminated. They have a traditional belief in a heliocentric system and African thought. I disagree. The position of the Try my free online Rune Readings! The Dogon were in fact aware of the fact that Sirius is a binary system (i.e. Y%gbsPFur[%X7Sz What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. (Photo by John and Keturah. Also it would take a very good set of lenses to see Sirius B, which has an apparent magnitude of 8.44 and a separation from Sirius A of 10 arcseconds (0.3% of a 1 angle) under the best conditions. of course, no evidence for this special eyesight, nor for other equally technological societies located on planet earth. This is only a stellar stone's throw by galactic standards and Sirius is only twice as far away from our solar system as are the nearest At the latitude of Egypt, over distances of several hundred kilometers, planetary curvature introduces distortions only on the order of fractions of kilometers, not the tens of kilometers worth of inaccuracies I found in Temple's claim. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. New evidence deals a devastating blow to what was considered to be the best case for extraterrestrial visitation. Other Temple claims, including some wild assertions from The Secrets of the Great Pyramid, can as easily be checked and as easily demolished. myths by confabulation." A Search for Faint Companions to Nearby Stars Using the Wide Field Planetary Camera 2,. When I set him a draft of a sharply critical review written for Astronomy magazine, he replied with a blistering counterattack in a letter to my editor: "A virulent attack against my honesty, integrity, and intelligence," he called my review. extremely dense and has a fifty-year orbit. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely Seriously: The Dogon and Sirius? have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in Many served in the French army in World War I and some of them could have returned years later with colorful embellishments for their native legends. For more then 20 years, The Sirius Mystery has influenced speculation about the possibility that our forefathers came from the stars. Sagan suggests, however, that that civilization was Seeking Clarity? A teacher named Marjorie Fish tried to corroborate Hills map by matching it to the Sun and nearby stars like Tau Ceti and Zeta Reticuli 1 and 2. sources for Temple's story. He made no secret of the fact that his intention was to redeem Temple offered another line of reasoning. WebThe Dogon reportedly related to Griaule and Dieterlen a belief that the Nommos were inhabitants of a world circling the star Sirius (see the main article on the Dogon for a discussion of their astronomical knowledge). The Dogon are supposed to have known that Sirius B orbits Sirius and that a complete orbit takes Greek and Arab myths and words are considered to a lesser extent. (Copyright: R. Ibata (Strasbourg Observatory, ULP) et al., 2MASS, NASA). The greatest source of error, however, seems to be in Temple's specified location of Behdet. Griaule," Current Anthropology 32, 1992, pp. The good news is that two of the first five entries were from skeptical websites (CSICOP and Bob Carrolls Skeptics Dictionary). The expedition, led by Henri Deslandres, stayed in the field for five weeks, and it is reasonable that during this time many contacts with the locals took place, and that relatively modern astronomical knowledge was then transferred. Temple's book and the debates that followed its release publicized the existence of the Dogon tribe among many New Age followers and proponents of ancient astronaut theories. The aliens came here However, doubts have been raised about the reliability of Griaule and Dieterlen's work on which The Sirius Mystery is based,[4][5] and alternative explanations have been proposed. But other observers have also written skeptically about the "Sirius Mystery. In 1998, Temple republished the book with the subtitle new scientific evidence of alien contact 5,000 years ago. The books reputation was first dented in 1999, when Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince published The Stargate Conspiracy, in which they allege that Temples thinking had been heavily influenced by his mentor, Arthur M. Young. WebThe star Sirius is certainly no stranger to mysteries. no conclusions of any kind." The Nommos descended from the sky in a vessel accompanied by fire and thunder. Myths and legends that are passed through generations are thousands of years old. The ancient records are filled with unanswered astronomical questions -- including the "red Sirius" and the possible Sumerian Ea-Oannes references to the spectacular Vela-X supernova. Predictions are often reinterpreted to fit any outcome, which makes them scientifically worthless but which can be claimed to verify the pseudo- scientific claims. From the findings of Van Beek and the authors of Ancient Mysteries, it is clear that Griaule himself was responsible for the creation of a modern myth; one which, in retrospect, has created such an industry and near-religious belief that the scope and intensity of it can hardly be fathomed. WebThe Dogon reportedly related to Griaule and Dieterlen a belief that the Nommos were inhabitants of a world circling the star Sirius (see the main article on the Dogon for a discussion of their astronomical knowledge). the Sirius "Mystery". ", British astronomy popularizer fan Ridpath, writing in the quarterly Skeptical Inquirer (Fall 1978), blasted Temple's "brain-numbing excursions into Egyptology." History Debunked then goes on to demonstrate the type of pseudo-scientific nonsense this has lead to by providing a link to an Ethnomathematics paper and reading out its conclusion. (Temple claims missionaries didn't show up until 1949.) James and Thorpe understate the problem when they say this is very worrying. Griaule claimed that about 15 per cent of the Dogon tribe possessed this secret knowledge, but Van Beek could find no trace of it in the decade he spent with the Dogon. that by the time Griaule arrived, the Dogon may have had a grounding in 20th Perhaps so -- it does seem like a trivial point, arguing over how different two meaningless geographical distances really are. The bad news is that the pseudoscience websites were in seventeen different languages. Another claim: that in Egypt the oasis of Siwa and the ancient Nile City of Thebes are both equidistant from the shrine city of Behdet, in the delta -- and the same exact distance, too. Somehow, Temple and I have never gotten our disputes off on the right foot. But Fishs map used an arbitrary viewpoint in space. Unfortunately the ancient records contain no clear, unambiguous references to this Sirius lore although the works of historians, astronomers and philosophers were explicit and detailed on innumerable other subjects. the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. I certainly concur with the first of those sentences! either in daily life or in ritual [to the Dogon]. Just wanted to know if this is completely a hoax, or does it even have any anthropological origin. The Dogon. Temple claims his expert cartographer found these distances "nearly equal." Finally, he asked me point-blank if I could point out any errors in it and partly out of politeness, partly to get rid of him, and partly because I had been able to read very little of the book so that the answer was true, I said I could not point out any errors. The Stone Age storytellers speak by their campfires of other people on other planets and of other mysteries. Could Sirius B have been a red giant a few thousand years ago? ), many debunked issues keep rising from the dead like vampires springing from their tombs. The Bad Archaeology page on the Sirius Mystery has summarize the basic details well: In 1976, Robert K G Temple (born 1945), an American living in the UK, published what was to become a seminal work of Bad Archaeology, The Sirius Mystery. The line that Temple labeled Orbit of Sirius B is actually a figure the Dogon think of as a cosmic egg. The symbol for Sirius A is just one of many objects in the Dogon cosmos (C is the Sun of Women, F is the Star of Women, etc.). Temple lists a number of astronomical beliefs held by the Dogon that I published, showed the distances to be nowhere close, in error by tens of miles, at least ten percent -- hardly "immense accuracy. Credulous scholars, like Young and Temple, were taken in and through them a whole generation has swallowed the false mythology of aliens from the Dark Sirius Companion. This article appeared in Fortean Times. Dogon people are renowned for their knowledge about the Sirius Star system which dates back to 3200 BC, long before scientists discovered it in 1862 The traditional mythology of the Dogon is amazing. In a response published in Fate magazine, he denied intending that: "I refer, entirely in passing, to the Greek word for siren and its similarity to the word for Sirius, drawing absolutely But it is apparent that Temple was not aware of Van Beeks devastating research. A review of the astronomical, cultural, and anthropological sides of this issue might be timely. mystery resurfaces." Ancient The alleged visitors from outer space The so-called "Sirius Mystery" can easily be explained by a transfer of knowledge from European visitors during that time period - and we know for a fact that several major visits by astronomers actually occurred during that time. The Bad Archaeology page on the Sirius Mystery has summarize the basic details well: In 1976, Robert K G Temple (born 1945), an American living in the UK, published what was to become a seminal work of Bad Archaeology, The Sirius Mystery. The Nommos descended from the sky in a vessel accompanied by fire and thunder. The brightest star in the sky is Sirius, now called Sirius A. The parts that bear at least a superficial resemblance to astronomical facts are most likely trimmings added in this century. Tom Sever's "The Obsession with the Star Sirius," and editor Ron Oriti's "On Not Taking it Seriously." Temple (The Sirius Mystery, St, Martin's Press, 1975) claims to be able to trace the Sirius-B myth back through Egyptian mythology to Sumerian mythology, thus establishing the certainty that the informants were extraterrestrials. They observe that information about the odd invisible companion of Sirius had been widely published in Europe years before Europeans recorded the Dogon myths. What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. The assyrians called Sirius Kal-bu-sa mas (the Dog of the Sun) and in Chaldea, it was known as Kak-shisha (The Dog Star That Leads) Known History of the Dogon According to Dogon mythology, Nommo was the first living being created by Amma, the sky god and creator of the universe. Were aliens, lost technology or something else entirely involved? Of those websites, over 400 had been updated within the last three months. of their culture, came from Sirius -- which is at the crux of Temple's reconstruction? Skeptic. | 3938 State St., Suite # 101, Santa Barbara, CA, 93105-3114 | 1-805-576-9396. He certainly did not have permission to use that statement as part of the promotion, I'11 just have to be even more careful hereafter.". WebDogon and the Sirius Mystery. 68-70. In explaining his role Asimov reveals another dimension of Temple's scholarship. Contents [ hide] 1 The Secret Knowledge And Wisdom Of The Dogon Tribe 2 Intricate Knowledge Of The Sirius Star System? In September 1980, Dr. Philip C. Steffey did an in-depth analysis of Dogon astronomical traditions in "Some Serious Astronomy in the 'Sirius Mystery,' " which criticized Temple's book as "inadequate and full of factual errors and misrepresentation of critical material. E. "Ancient Astronauts," in, McDaid, Liam. Its appearance in the dawn sky over Egypt warned of the impending Nile floods and the summer's heat and marked the beginning of the Egyptian calendar. According to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. Read Skeptic on Apple or Android devices, or on PC or Mac via PocketMags.com. sigui, held by the Dogon every sixty years. The biggest challenge to Griaule, however, came from anthropologist Walter Van Beek. This of course would destroy the modern influence explanation totally. Some pseudosciences such as homeopathy and free energy never die. good amount of discussion of Sirius in the scientific press in the '20s so Found in the constellation after which it is named, it is about 25,000 light years from the sun and 42,000 light years from the centre of the Milky Way. seem curious. He also gives public talks on astronomy and related fringe topics to international audiences. As Carl Sagan pointed out, when the lines on both maps are removed, the resemblance disappears. amphibious aliens or telescopic vision due to melanin. by Philip Coppens. James, Peter and Nick Thorpe. Temple, however, has stated in the reprint of The Sirius Mystery (1999) that he in no way supports what he refers to as "sinister cults" that have been inspired by his book. Even in the most optimistic reading of this tale, the Dogon know no more than we knew about the Solar System and nearby stars in the 1930s, which is about the time that Griaule and Deiterlen first interacted with them. WebNew evidence deals a devastating blow to what was considered to be the best case for extraterrestrial visitation. The difference in brightness between Sirius A and B is a factor of 10,000! No other anthropologist supports their opinions. In 1966, Temple then aged 21 became Secretary of Youngs Foundation for the Study of Consciousness. Clearly the Dogons (in common with many other cultures) were fascinated by Sirius, probably because its position in the sky was crucial to successful agriculture (it's the only star they have a name for.) In that case the Dogon (and everyone else) would have had little trouble seeing both stars then. Also, why would the Dogan people not divulge where they received such recent knowledge of transfer if they had of gotten this knowledge from Europeans. The X symbol inside the oval is Sirius A, The oval itself is labeled Umlaufbahn von Sirius B, or Orbit of Sirius B. Pretty convincing. The Dogon and Sirius. He has written of Temples belief that present-day authorities are unwilling to set aside the blinkers of orthodoxy, unable to admit the validity of anything that lies outside their field or that offers a challenge to the status quo. interpreter. To quote James and Thorpe: As for Sirius B, only Griaules informants had ever heard of it. Was Griaule told by his informants what he wanted to believe; did he misinterpret the Dogon responses to his questions? I assumed, reasonably I.believe, that Temple meant to prove something by this chain of development, and I said it was a silly idea. WebThe star Sirius is certainly no stranger to mysteries. Carl. claims about the antiquity of this information or of a connection with Nigel Appleby whose book Hall of the Gods was withdrawn from publication has admitted to being tremendously influenced by Temples Sirius Mystery. First, in general, Temple displays his own gross ignorance of geometry and spherical trigonometry. by Liam McDaid. (In response, Temple has drawn up the ridiculous image of natives laborously hauling a giant instrument through the west African mud -- when in fact a four inch reflector would do just fine, and I once owned one that weighed about ten pounds including mount.) based his account on an interview with one person, Ambara, and an Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. WebAlso there is the fact that they described the Nommo as fish people and you find all kinds of half man/half fish - serpent imagery all over the Mediterranean. by Liam McDaid. The Dogon are believed to be of Egyptian decent and their astronomical lore goes back thousands of years to 3200 BC. Dogon descriptions of Jupiter, Saturn and Sirius remind one of Jonathan Swift's uncanny description of the two undiscovered moons of Mars. He allegedly found the distances "to be nearly equal to one another" -- although no quantitative definition of "nearly equal" was ever offered. 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