It appears that while the plan is to brand all trains under GBR with one branding, that plan involves a much longer time scale: . The 4REP and 3/4TC EMUs were a notable oddity, initially receiving all-over Rail Blue despite being express corridor stock. It's only as complicated as you want it to be. I'm not convinced "InterCity" services warrant different branding now, as they are no longer of premium quality in terms of service provision; in many case they're just regional or commuter services (thinks XC and GWR in particular). But thats the insidious appeal of nationalism: it willalwaysbe easier, in the short term, to spurn complicating national attachments in favour of tacking to local winds and making off with as much cash as you can lay your hands on. Great British Railways: Livery, branding and appearance? The British Rail Class 31 diesel locomotives, also known as the Brush Type 2 and previously as Class 30, were built by Brush Traction from 1957-62. True. I never knew I had OCD until that remark lol. "Image of No.47163 with Silver Jubilee Union Jack", History of Blood and Custard (Crimson Lake & Cream) Livery, Information on Freight Locomotive Liveries & logos, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=British_Rail_corporate_liveries&oldid=1136093401, Articles with unsourced statements from December 2014, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0. That's a different argument (which I disagee with but that's not for this thread). Except their is massive nostalgia for BR days. I think in Germany it is done by using the "TOC" name in place of IC etc. A livery, similar to ScotRail but with the upper dark grey bodyside replaced with a dark blue, was created. Antrim Princess Sealink ferry underway in Larne with Sealink letters. It's not going to be called Rail England and if it was, there'd be nothing "Queen Nicola" could do about it. As part of this work, the team engaged with industry through a formal call for evidence. Every TfW station I've been to are still ATW-branded (in fact, Hereford yesterday). At present, train operators get to decorate their rolling stock in their own colours. Swiss rail. Dedicated station management teams will be created within regional divisions of GBR to manage stations and land. This mock-up was shown in an orange and grey livery, which, however, never appeared on rolling stock in service. [4] Normal passenger service franchise mechanisms were amended, transferring almost all revenue and cost risk to the government, effectively 'renationalising' those services temporarily. Because it's not going to be the same as BR. Clean, modern, easy to read, looks good and in the right colour set. I still think" Great British Railways" will be mostly likely be termed GBR, most of the time. [14] While this livery had much in common with the "Large Logo" version of Rail Blue livery, including the yellow cabs and larger logo and numbers on the bodyside, the main colour was grey rather than blue. Compared to the superb branding packages of TfW and ScotRail, it does not say "come use the railway . Once we lose TOC branding I certainly think service categories need to return, if only on the Dutch basis of them only describing service patterns rather than anything else. London Midland (pre LNR), that was white on black but the same idea. [5] As Rail Blue was introduced, the last locomotive recorded as being outshopped in a previous livery was Class 43 D838 Rapid which left Swindon Works in August 1968 in maroon. The first and second MKC signs are pretty classy and look good. By 2020s Britain, I mean a design that is reflective of modern day marketing and branding. Infrastructure, passenger, and freight services were separated at that time. Instead, I just added an icon next to the full text and removed it from the main station name. On the other hand Avanti's branding is awful - there is no "Italian flair" in it at all. This grey panel finished just short of the end of the coach leaving a small amount of Rail Blue which then continued round onto the end of the coach. Also, yes, the actual report has a typo, it really does say 'refect' instead of 'reflect'. This was later modified for locomotives allocated to the Civil Engineer's department to include a yellow stripe on the upper bodyside, the resulting livery being known as "Dutch" due to its similarity to the corporate colours of the Nederlandse Spoorwegen.[18]. Scottish rolling stock not covered by the ScotRail livery (generally those on secondary services) received the Regional Railways livery, but with "ScotRail" branding. A throwback to the 70s and 80s can sometimes work, but not often, but I think. Likes Received: 1,930. I can sort of understand lumping Moorgate services in with London Overground, but LNER to Kings Lynn has been suggested many times without any compelling reason as to why, beyond "something something intercity standard. Despite the InterCity brand having been introduced in 1966, in 1985 the word 'Executive' was dropped and the livery was applied to all coaches and many locomotives used on InterCity services. Japan had JNR (Japan National Railways) and now, post nationalisation, it has JR (Japan Railways). Existing leases of stations to devolved transport authorities will continue. A bit like this but without the fuzzy outline on the text and double arrow (caused by MS Paint's paint bucket tool): Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; I had a play around with this, and I agree, it looks. JavaScript is disabled. I personally like this Lion logo posted by Tim Dunn on twitter a few years ago. For Station signage that is supposed to be functional and informative above all else, I don't see too much wrong with this. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. You are using an out of date browser. No.31271 in Railfreight "triple grey" livery with Construction sector markings. This idea often seems to pop its head up. A commonly mistake to make, but one that can easily upset the locals! It'll be operated quite differently. This style of livery was also used by CSX Transportation. Roofs were Dark Grey and underframes originally brown, but later black. Bland, cheap, unimaginative. Or the awful corporate blue BR? It's a given that there will be brands underneath GBR - if there weren't, it would make travelling pretty complicated. The special saloons and a few other special coaches were also repainted in chocolate and cream but regular former GWR coaches carried maroon. [2] It was a dark, greyish blue tone which hid the effects of dirt well. In many ways having a 'Railway System' logo (the double arrow) for stations/journey planners but a different logo so people know the train is a 'big' intercity train or a 'small' stopping train is very helpful. And although BR did changes, it was still the same basic livery really. The Double Arrow is used for stations on maps, so that's really a no-brainer frankly. It might have the operator identified in a small way too. Finsbury Park. Could GBRTT be right for you? It'll be operated quite differently. Not the terms I would have used but I see where you might get that impression. The devolved administrations, the combined authorities, and the Greater London Authority will continue to exercise their current powers, such as setting fares and awarding contracts, and will remain democratically accountable for this. No.90021 in revised Railfreight "triple grey" livery, with Railfreight Distribution sector markings. Not too dissimilar to the old Northern logo arrangement. On 10 June 1986, British Rail launched Network SouthEast, an organisation designed to cut across the traditional regional boundaries and deliver a co-ordinated train service for London and the surrounding region. GBR will absorb Network Rail, although overall strategic direction on infrastructure investment and fares strategy will remain with government. The white paper does not specify whether the branding of devolved railways such as London Overground and Merseyrail will be affected.[7]. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The red stripe does work, very similar to what the Welsh are doing. Rail Express Systems was the sector of British Rail responsible for transport of mail and parcels traffic. The standard livery for most British Railways steam locomotives was black, often with a thin red, cream and grey "lining" (trim), while express passenger locomotives were not painted "Brunswick Green" (Which was the former colour of the Great Western Railway) as is often stated, but were painted in British Standards: BS224 "Deep Bronze Green" also known as "Land Rover Deep Bronze Green LR001" with orange and black lining. Until the introduction of Mk1 catering vehicles in the late '50s, these trains had matching former GWR catering vehicles. The WilliamsShapps plan recommended that there will be a single, unifying brand for railways, and it is expected that this will be a gradual rebranding over time. If you run across land borders you're going to get it. The Great British Railways Transition Team (GBRTT) seeks to deliver the most ambitious changes to our railways in a generation, working with the government and across the rail sector. One overarching brand, with sub brands sitting below it, for long distance services and regional brands all under the GBR moniker, much like we do today with Southern, South Eastern, South Western, Northern, etc. [13], On 5 February 2022, the Department for Transport launched a public consultation for the location of GBRs headquarters. Western. It highlighted different ways in which Westminster could invest in Britain's strategic transport network to better-integrate the nation. The first Class 31 entered service in November . Corridor coaching stock and certain express multiple unit classes were painted in Rail Blue with a 44-inch Pearl Grey (BS 2660-9-095) horizontal panel centred vertically on the main windows, outlined by a narrow white line. Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread . If only we were to see a coherent joined up livery scheme to run nationwide like the picture above , however I rather suspect this will not be the case. But then every time I look at a train, I'll think of a bus. I'll give you an opportunity to make up a better more modern scheme then. As built it was a sort of purplish-red stripe with a lighter red shadow, then this changed to solid red in the late 90s/early 2000s. This error in colour identification comes from an article and question published in a Model Railway Magazine in the 1950s, where the responding editor made the error, and it has frequently been repeated since then. Job done. Much closer to what I was meaning (thanks. The UK, Britain, Great Britain, The British Isles, England - what's the difference? Interesting mock up doublearrow on Twitter just posted: What problem is this supposed to be fixing? The double arrow is still overused, though. [4] One locomotive, Class 47 No.D1733, was painted to match the coaching stock. Great British Railways marks a new era in the history of our railways. 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GBR will be made up of five regional divisions, organised in line with Network Rail's Putting Passengers First programme. Creating a separate thread for this as it's quite a big topic, potentially. Heh. | Page 27 | RailUK Forums We're pleased to announce the launch of our new booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk, which helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchased. At the moment, the TOC mostly differentiates this. A nod to the past in the liveries would be nice like with the modern GWR too. GW 1 1 Great British Railways For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Aren't best impressions the ones that did the 2015 Virgin East Coast HST? The first break in the uniformity of Rail Blue came in 1976 with the introduction of the first InterCity 125 (HST). TL:DR - if your a british collector, and you paint your own, PUT THE STRIPPER DOWN. The Tories, particulary this present mob of throwbacks, have long since co-opted the "great" in "Great Britain" to mean "very good"and its xenophobic, imperialist undertones make me want to vomit. ScotRail was the brand name under which British Rail operated passenger services in Scotland and cross border services to Northern England and London. A number of sets of coaching stock and a handful of locomotives received the livery, as well as most new multiple units and some existing ones. I don't think there would ever be multiple logos for Great British Railways as you've alluded to - it would make it complicated for the end passenger. Why does it need to look the part - what does nationalisation look like? JavaScript is disabled. It's good work (and the previous set). I am confident I could design a better package in a few hours, and I am not a design professional. The livery was carried on the rolling stock, but also on a number of locomotives which were dedicated to mail and parcels traffic, mainly of Classes 47 and 90. Blue Pullman in grey and blue livery arriving at Bristol Temple Meads in 1973. Railfreight livery, a colour scheme specifically for freight locomotives, was unveiled when Class 58 58001 drove through a plastic screen at Doncaster Works on 9 December 1982. Do you think we should use different colours for regions like we sort of have now, https://twitter.com/_doublearrow/status/1455113527954493474/photo/1. This includes transport, with the first Union Connectivity Review being published earlier this year. . | Page 23 | RailUK Forums We're pleased to announce the launch of our new booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk, which helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchased. particularly associated with the depots at Old Oak Common and Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread . It may not display this or other websites correctly. A mock-up for the British Railways Mark 2 stock was displayed at the Design Centre, 28 Haymarket, London, (the showrooms of the Council of Industrial Design) in 1964. Variants to the national brand will be developed to refect the English regions, Scotland and Wales, while emphasising that the railway is one network serving the whole of Great Britain. Still makes me cringe everytime I see/read 'Great' in front of anything British since this mob got in. Given the furious backlash over the Protocol, as well as the ill-managed disappointment that was the two parties 2010 link-up (under the awful acronym UCUNF), one can understand why Northern Irish politicians shy away from the Tories. The rail system is a public service not an art gallery. You are using an out of date browser. Recognising this, the Plan for Rail recommended the development of a 30-year strategy to determine how best the railways can support Britain in the future. Thats a bit like saying everything has been invented, no need for anything more. it remains to be seen if their just gonna bite the bullet and conform the entirety of rolling stock on the GBR network to a nice Blue and Cream livery. But we know that anyway - ScotRail is blue based, as was Regional Railways. Instead, I just added an icon next to the full text and removed it from the main station name. And the more I see RA2 and its symbols, the more clumsy it looks. Great British Railways (GBR) is a planned state-owned public body that will oversee rail transport in Great Britain,[1] with the exception of Transport for London and Merseytravel services, and light rail and trams elsewhere in England. The Overground operates under its own livery. For example, the Midland Railway abolished Second-class on 1 st . This may well take time to introduce and rollout but my suggestion is as follows. But the point is that effort has gone into developing a brand and what it stands for, it isn't just harking back to the awful 1970s, a time people seem to be seeing with a large pair of rose tinted spectacles. Why do most people go for a car that is mostly all one single colour. Due to the small number of units repainted it was common to see trains with two or more units in different liveries. There is also a British Standard paint colour BS381C 114 called Rail Blue which was introduced in 1964. So even if that doesn't become the actual 'GBR' logo it will likely see some use on stations and maybe trains. No complaints really over the Rail Alphabet, I even like seeing it on old BR signage that still exists here and there. And Great Britain is more often than not used to mean the whole of England/Scotland/Wales, excluding Northern Ireland - a legacy of the Kingdom of Great Britain, which existed from 1707 to 1800. The Transport Secretary announced on 19 October 2022 that the Transport Bill which would have set up GBR would not go ahead in the current parliamentary session.[2]. The iconic London and North Eastern Railway brand - better known as LNER - looks set to be withdrawn again. It is known as Great because it is the largest island in the British Isles, and houses the countries of England, Scotland and Wales within its shores. Incorrect: Britain and Great Britain are synonymous, referring to either the largest island of the British Isles (in a geographical context) or the countries of England, Scotland and Wales (in a political context). The purpose of this call for evidence was to develop an understanding of how much of the current and future market demand for freight could be met by rail, and the role rail can play in the nations supply chains. 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