If you have the budget for it, I'd say wait a week to see some reviews for the MCG Ultimate. What I've put together is a bit of how I use. newsletter. Be careful about copying other peoples bindings, as most of them seem to have really weird ideas or they might do only exploring so never use pips and things like that. Initially I'm after a stick and will continue to use my X55 throttle, eventually I'll replace my throttle or possibly go 2 sticks. Plus half of what I would need from VKB is out of stock. Another highlight for me were Virpils Ace Interceptor Rudder Pedals. Its unique to you. This alone has made me settle on getting the Virpil base. - Virpil WARbrd vs VKB: WARbrd base has movement range of +/-22 degrees, where as the VKB bases have +/-15 degrees. I used this for my warthog. HOSAS made me a harder target to hit, and helped to improve my own aim especially with fixed weapons. Both multiple cam and spring force options. Perhaps toe break tension as well. I definitely have more than 38 inputs on my x55. The only things I don't have as mapped out as I'd ideally like for VR are camera and perhaps fighter pilot commands. You'll see I haven't even mapped the 2nd choice analog features of the top MCG hat on the right hand, ran out of needalso have some repeats left and right in case I get confused in heat of moment. and our I think that there's a good chance that the Gunfighter + mcg ultimate will take the spot as best consumer joystick on the market. - VKB gunfighter base vs Virpils bases: VKB has a dry clutch. Please also read our Privacy Notice and Terms of Use, which became effective December 20, 2019. I could hit the gas on the main thruster to accelerate forward, rotate my ship in place, then roll left while also moving slightly down and sliding to the right all at the same time. If I want to upgrade in the future I can just buy the Gunfighter base and use the kosmosima stick (If VKB follow through and actually let you buy bases separately). Note that youll need two of the Desk Mount V3-S devices for a HOSAS solution using the Virpil Constellation sticks, which brings the price of accessories up to $140. That brings the price for a full HOTAS mounting solution closer to $180. I didn't say ED provided a game setting for Virpil. > Tutorials and everything HOTAS related. I dont care about cost or desk mounting height or which is the better company or customer service . The VKB base has some nice features the Virpil base doesn't have (dampers) and overall just rates a bit higher in terms of quality/performance. So whats a budding flight or space sim enthusiast to do? The ideal base for Warthog - a heavy (~1KG) grip plus extension is T50CM2. I found a couple of programs like this but some of them are no longer operational or are too limited to map more than 32 buttons themselves. That means you can easily arrange for a much more complex dual-stick set-up. 03.03.20|The sheets for the ALPHA-grips have been updated (the dual-push for the scroll encoder has been added and there was a problem with duplicating entries). Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Outline:0:00 - First impressio. The game to get one is better than playing ED. Elite also won't recognize any button inputs that are greater than #32. Something went wrong. VIRPIL hardware - key mapping setups (PDF) for you to fill out I'm not an expert by any stretch, I only intend to use this for Elite Dangerous. Virpil has the better engineers. If that checks out, Elite should see all the analog axes and some of the buttons. Yes I followrd their guide. Theres even a line of collective grips on the way, which will be perfect for the new helicopters coming to DCS World and Microsoft Flight Simulator in the not-to-distant future. As I said before I dont think you can go wrong either way though. I've taught myself how to use Virpil software, but the VKB software looks much more complex and the documentation seems lacking (translated) with many features only described in forum posts. I read somewhere that you need the virpil software to tell the OS that it's 2 different inputs. I only have experience with vkb, but from everything I've read on here they are, for the most part, neck and neck, and I can't see you being disappointed with either. VirPil make easy use Tm Warthog (or Cougar) grip in their bases, since use the same connection nut and grip electronics. VKB complicate unnecessary the things, because being a "Apple" require a . You are using an out of date browser. Both can be gotten with twist. There really is plenty. The thing that really sold me on it is that the hat switches and mini sticks on the the top are completely modular, so you can literally just drop whichever one you like to suit your purposes without having to take apart the stick. ED doesn't 'see' any controllers using the bindings files, check whether you can actuallly bind any of the controls to an action and then create your own bindings file. Virpil pedals are much, much lower to the floor and accommodate a wider stance which, as a 66 man, I greatly appreciate. I will look for that in VPC config software. It works perfectly with all buttons. After correspondence with Virpil I have to load and create a profile for each device individually, one at a time. Please note you will lose the axis on the brake lever that comes with the Virpil grip, as the Warthog grip only supports button press on that lever. You can blame Microsoft Flight Simulator for the flight stick shortage were experiencing. VirPil make easy use Tm Warthog (or Cougar) grip in their bases, since use the same connection nut and grip electronics. Edit: Didn't realize that winwing sticks were metal. It was a bit of a process to pull apart my two kosmosima grips to fish out the good peg and slap it into my right hand stick, but I'm starting to get a little miffed with the durability of some of these small components. All rights reserved. HOTAS (hands on throttle and sticks) I've been lucky enough to have purchased of a Virpil CM2 throttle and a Constellation Alpha on Warbird base and I think they are fantastic! Privacy Policy. They release quickly, making storage a breeze. Take my advice - before starting, enter into the map all the switch and button numbers from the Virpil test program because when you look in the ED keybindings, that's what will show. I do play in VR pretty often, so the numerous buttons at my fingertips on the Virpil stick apeals to me. Between the WarBRD and Gunfighter options it really seems to come down to personal preference and I'll never know without putting my hands on each. Espaol - Latinoamrica (Spanish - Latin America). And just last night the plastic peg for one of the hat switches snapped. It feels more robust than the Logitech X-52 and X-56, but lighter than the all-metal Thrustmaster Warthog. Same would be true with the Gunfighter. TECS (Twin Engine Control System) is a completely new throttle control device made for today's and future jet warbirds. Lastly if you have any thoughts please let me know as i know for some spending this kind of money is easy but for its hard for me as now that i have a young family money isnt just failing out of my wallet and i want to make the right purchase as i can barely afford to do it once. Everything about it is perfect. Anyone use Vjoy or similar to get past ED's 32 button limit? Is anyone using Vjoy or a simiar program(s) to solve this problem? Nice descriptions. JavaScript is disabled. Youll find examples from both brands where people got shipped a dud product or had a bad experience with customer service, but on the whole theyre both producing excellent hardware and its gonna come down to personal preference for the most part. (e.g. Jmo Has a learning curve for sure, but I wholly recommend Virpil. Price isn't the issue as much as quality for me. All rights reserved. And every one but a single dial is bound. Oops. If anyone has alternate suggestions for awesome, high quality flight sticks. Was looking at getting a new one but decided I might as well upgrade to either the VKB Gunfighter or Virpril T50 and would love some advice and opinions on both setups. What do you mean by splitting axes? Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn34PHd34x4, Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8odaH98Yms. They have adopted the Thrustmaster Warthog connector and improved it while staying backwards compatible. The products are engineered solid and no-bullshit. Still, you cant really go wrong with either choice. There's only so much your thumb can roam around and do. 1 - does anyone have both of these setups and can tell me what they prefer? The configuration software is very detailed but complicated. Warthog grip and you are good to go. Hey everyone, i know this has been a few times but i cant find anything that the exact specs im looking at so im going to ask anyway. Did you a manage to get your bindings for Elite dangerous ? Its high-end equipment is currently in stock. Also, I'm not dead set on those two options by any means. Here's my mapping for Elite, perhaps a little out of date re: some of the macros I mentioned above, and admittedly I use my LH stick weird (sideways oriented as a throttle) so I've converted an axis to 'relative' mode with a button as reset, which removes it from use as a button in-game. I would think it should be enough. > DIY Dunno how it is usable in space sims. See our ethics statement. Virpil is a more competitive option if you want to use TM grips out of the box (but you could just buy a VKB adapter and do the same or a WinWing base). But it might give you some ideas regarding quantity of controls being 'enough'. You might want to look for something with versatility since a lot of REALLY nice sticks try to fit specific requirements, like DCS OR ELITE rather than DCS AND ELITE. For around $70 you can get the Virpil Desk Mount V3-S. There are all sorts of advice guides on how to optimise your chances. Have you tried each device individually with nothing else plugged in? For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. They also have just the right amount of heft to them, and feel like a substantial upgrade to the kinds of flight sticks Ive been using for the last decade. sorry don't own one but a here's a something you may like to try first. In this review, we'll take a closer look at Virpil's MongoosT-50CM2 throttle, comparing it with the popular Thrustmaster TWCS. Ultimately, it's likely either VKB or Vipril gear will work great for you and you'll be more than happy with either. Thank you guys for the help. 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Better options out there? If you buy something from a Polygon link, Vox Media may earn a commission. For space sims, I think Virpil has it over VKB hands down when looking at the Kosmosima vs Constellation Alpha. The scissors gimbal is not very pleasant around center. Second, know that the current incarnation of the Virpil throttle box may simply be too much for most users. They've all been excellent, but I wouldn't choose a Delta for a primary grip in any game; it's ambidextrous which is cool I guess, but while it's good for either hand, it's not great for either hand. i use a steam controller and nothing else mostly unless i need a hotkey for certain things on the keyboard. Its also mostly plastic, but in a good way. What it really comes down to is whether you plan to use the twist. The Virpil Constellation Alpha also comes in a left-handed variant. How easy was the software to learn? I have a good comparison of VKB and Virpil looking at the Modern Combat Grip (Their other premium grip, recently being re-released in an all-metal build) and the Constellation-Alpha, and they perform nearly identical in my opinion.. My personal experience with VKB's Kosmosima grip (the grip that comes in their MK3 space combat edition package) is very negative. Complete your WWII Flight Sim setup with this GNX Combo Throttle Just wish they would have shipped with more replacement parts if they're so prone to breaking under regular usage. We use cookies and other tracking technologies to improve your browsing experience on our site, show personalized content and targeted ads, analyze site traffic, and understand where our audiences come from. https://1drv.ms/p/s!AuHD2NL7qn3w3gxZVfByQOacohmx?e=RhWkjj. Both companies use high quality metal gimbals and contactless sensors for axes. By choosing I Accept, you consent to our use of cookies and other tracking technologies. I don't predict it being a huge game changer, but it's kinda the first time we've had an all metal grip in a high end joystick. I saw Vjoy mentioned as a solution but it seems to be half of the solution because it seems to require another program to virtually map the physical device (in this case a throttle). Still other manufacturers are taking pre-orders, and then banging out new units as quickly as they can. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Explaining the difference is difficult to do with words. Thank you for all the suggestions. I intend to do mostly spaceflight sims with the stick(s). I will be using the TM Warthog grip with a stickextension, so if anyone happens to run a similar setup on either the VKB or Virpil yourthoughts will be greatly appreciated. It may not display this or other websites correctly. VKB vs Thrustmaster T16000M Ken Cikas 1.4K subscribers Subscribe 20K views 3 years ago Put about 170 hours into Elite Dangerous and this T16000M from Thrustmaster is about done so I. Out of the box, Virpils large, grippy rubber feet stay put on most surfaces. Virpil's software isn't very intuitive. Have a look through the Virpil forums. No rush though, as we all know its not a quick in out game. My VKB Controls My Universe Gladiator NXT Joysticks Shop our Gladiator NXT EVO Series of Joysticks Gladiator NXT EVO 'Space Combat Edition' - Left Hand From $135.00 USD Gladiator NXT EVO 'Space Combat Edition' - Right Hand From $135.00 USD Gladiator NXT EVO Omni Throttle - Left Hand $175.00 USD Gladiator NXT EVO Omni Throttle - Right Hand , So, I am currently having a hard time choosing between the two flight sticks that seem to be most likely to fit my needs; those options being Virpil VPC Constellation on WarBRD base and VKB Gunfighter Mk3 'space combat edition.'. I'd consider myself a fairly casual player that is fortunate enough to have enough expendable money for lavish purchases such as this. The VKB software also allows an enormous amount of customization like a shift key action to double up on everything or (what I find sufficient) a 'tempo' function so a quick tap vs. a longer press has 2 different operations for buttons or certain hat positions. Yes I followrd their guide. I have a Virpil cm2 throttle and a vkb gladiator nxt. * Gunfighter Mk.III is to be released, "soon". Your right, MFG's have been on the market longer than the Virpil Ace's, but I couldn't identify a lot of difference, except maybe some of the adjustments you can make on the MFG's that you can't make on the Virpil pedals. Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts. But that being said, if you're focusing on space games, I'm leaning towards thinking you'll prefer the gunfighter + kosmosima or virpils constellation. My advice, of course, is to give the scalpers a wide berth. You must log in or register to reply here. VKB keep iterating through new revisions of their products, sometimes breaking backwards compatibility. I will be using it for flight sims mainly dcs in modern jets f14, f18 and i will have it centre mounted in a simpit. Swapping out the throttle for another stick meant that I had to constantly hold the left-hand stick forward to maintain forward thrust. Oh, and to actually answer your question: both the virpil constellation and vkb kosmosima are fantastic. Question on the VKB customization software? Ok yes the firmware and software was installed. If I had to choose one it would be an Alpha L or R whichever was needed, and as a pair Virpil arguably makes the best HOSAS you can get. To learn more or opt-out, read our Cookie Policy. > Q&A Only set up a profile for each device with the other unplugged. If youre playing a more hardcore flight simulator, like something from the DCS World portfolio, you probably already know about VKB. I can say you really can go wrong either way you go. Ace pedals also have a much better mounting solution, in my opinion, compared to the TPR pedals. However, worse was that ED (and Il-2 and DCS) now do not recognize any of the axes on the throttle. People use keyboard to play E:D. Keyboards have more than 32 buttons.. my x56 throttle alone has more than 32 buttons, all bound to ed controls :). But, by pulling back on that stick I had easy access to reverse thrust, which makes slowing down and changing directions in space a lot snappier. In terms of bases I like my VKB base a bit more than my Vipril base. I can't speak for Virpil's interiors but I've been inside the grip on my VKB and the way they use independent little boards with pin receptacles to link things together on the Kosmo Premium is amazing, and would be very easy to obtain parts for repair if only one control were to fail for any reason. I love both sets but have settled on an MCG Gunfighter with T-rudders and the Virpil throttle. Gonna sound real silly but I miss the days of walking into a electronics shop and being able to actually try the feel of the sticks out. Got a Virpil throttle but I can only program about half the hats, axis', and buttons because of ED limiting us to 32 "buttons" per device. It may not display this or other websites correctly. WarBRD with more throw has some difficulties for center this heavy grip. (The Alpha-R is on backorder along with the MongoosT-50CM2 grip as well). You all have inspired me to investigate higher quality gear for my flight sim time. Thanks, Ill take your advise. They strike a good balance between price point and feature set, sitting comfortably in between classics like the Logitech X-52 and the Thrustmaster T16000, and higher end products from Thrustmaster and VKB. The VKB Ultimate grip may be interesting due to the material and modularity of it. But as far as quality of the gimbals, both are fantastic. It may take time. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Also the virpil stick might cost more as i have read that somepeople buying it in Australia have had to pay GST (tax) on it. Vectors which had previously been relegated to the keyboard or tiny hat switches were now integrated into the joysticks themselves. Either way, in terms of quality and build at least it seems like a toss up. I'd pass on the NXT if your budget allows for something with cams. Is the base the same on both? So, just to make sure I have this strait, MCG is the 'Modern Combat' Gunfighter stick and the Kosmosima is the 'Space Combat' edition of the gunfighter? While the input devices alone are excellent, Virpil also has a line of surprisingly affordable custom mounting solutions. Better still, the Constellations side-mounted thumbsticks mean that you can actually navigate on foot without ever taking your hands off the joysticks. > Pictures I also have smallish hands and found that VKB is better suited to my hands and more ergonomically designed. Problem isn't your Virpil, Elite Dangerous cannot use past 32 buttons on a device. 4 - what grip do people think is better the T-50 or the alpha? Maybe you should try moving some to other ports on your computer if you haven't tried that yet. 2012-2022 1C Game Studios | 1-777 Limited, 32 Kritis Street, Papachristoforou Building, 4th Floor, 3087 Limassol, Cyprus. 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Powered by Invision Community, 2012-2022 1C Game Studios | 1-777 Limited, 32 Kritis Street, Papachristoforou Building, 4th Floor, 3087 Limassol, Cyprus. I managed to get hold of a Virpil constellation alpha (R) and a CM2 throttle, it was an emotional 2 month process. It's easy! Looking at grips VKB and Virpil are more similar and it feels like preference is mostly related to hand size and just what each person prefers. Bring from the UK, shipping was not too bad with about a week to wait after dispatch. But now Im able to use the two sticks twist axes to handle strafing (right) and moving up and down (left). Money isn't really an issue for me. This applies to the connector between grip and base. Starting to wonder about the all-metal construction with that new ultimate grip, and maybe investing in a heavier duty base. I plan on positing a review of the mcg ultimate once I receive it (should be getting it later this week hopefully) if you're curious. 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